The surgical technique is described here:
http://oregoncryo.com/manual/cannulae.html
http://oregoncryo.com/manual/surgicalProcedures.html
Liquid ventilation would be far slower than the technique above. Also, cooling is far less effective than actual perfusion.
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- Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:05 am
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Wait but Why
- Replies: 23
- Views: 87103
- Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:44 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Website updated
- Replies: 1
- Views: 8518
Website updated
It's been a few years, so I updated most of the pages on our website. I got rid of links to the member portal because member growth is no longer a goal, and members are a costly distraction. I also removed the page about the Reanimation Fund as an overfunding mechanism. Overfunding now just goes int...
- Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:04 am
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Wait but Why
- Replies: 23
- Views: 87103
Re: Wait but Why
Well, never in my natural lifetime. Never in the next 50 years at least.
- Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:50 am
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Wait but Why
- Replies: 23
- Views: 87103
Re: Wait but Why
Yes, hypothermia would be great, but as you agreed, it's never going to be used on a cryonics patient. Even the laws for pets won't allow premortem hypothermia.
Biostasis
Biostasis is a terrible word in cryonics. Biostasis actually refers to the ability of microorganisms such as bacteria and fungi to stay alive in extreme conditions. As environmental conditions later improve, their cells recover and function normally again. Any scientist seeing the word biostasis in ...
- Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:13 am
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Wait but Why
- Replies: 23
- Views: 87103
Re: Wait but Why
I consider cooling to be a second line of defense. Immediate chemical treatment of the cells to halt metabolism and add cross-links should be the primary goal. But since we know that perfusion is not uniform, cold perfusate can be used to slow metabolism in nearby tissue. Conductive heat transfer is...
- Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:56 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Wait but Why
- Replies: 23
- Views: 87103
Wait but Why
There's a fairly well written article about cryonics here: https://waitbutwhy.com/2016/03/cryonics.html But the ideas that it lays out are flawed, and are based on the utopian Alcor and CI themes instead of on science. 1. Become a member, get a life insurance policy, wear a bracelet, die. This might...
- Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:05 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Helping the cryonics cause
- Replies: 16
- Views: 41369
Re: Helping the cryonics cause
> Maybe you say this so that people realize what they are up against. Yes, that's right. And no, I have not succeeded. I might succeed in the future, but this is way harder than I ever thought it would be. Someone with less resources will fail. I'm not trying to discourage conversations and a few sp...
- Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:49 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Helping the cryonics cause
- Replies: 16
- Views: 41369
Re: Helping the cryonics cause
No, neither of those is my point. I'll be super simple and blunt. If you want to help cryonics get more members, or if you want to help start a new organization to improve local support, you can't. Quit thinking you can.
- Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:58 am
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Reanimation Fund options?
- Replies: 1
- Views: 8030
Re: Reanimation Fund options?
Your post was hard for me to read. I think what you are saying is that you want to put $50k into a fund that would pay for transfer to CI if we go bankrupt. Yes, that sounds like a good idea. Also, the pages you are referencing on our website are looking out of date, so the discussion would be bette...
- Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:51 am
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Cryonics Symposium International
- Replies: 3
- Views: 11215
Re: Cryonics Symposium International
I agree that we aren't doing any better than them. That's kind of my point. All the services from all the organizations are terrible useless rituals almost all the time. I will make some changes to the website to make that more clear. There is a fair amount of outdated info on there which shows hist...
- Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:47 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Cryonics Symposium International
- Replies: 3
- Views: 11215
Cryonics Symposium International
Cryonics Symposium International is being held at the Church of Perpetual Life in Florida on Saturday, July 27, 2019. I'm not going. They are good people, and I'm sure they mean well, but this meeting does not increase my chance of survival for the following reasons: -Its association with a "ch...
- Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:40 am
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Helping the cryonics cause
- Replies: 16
- Views: 41369
Re: Helping the cryonics cause
My advice is the most rational, so I think it's also the most common course of action, including in all your examples. My advice won't change anyone's mind. I'm just stating what should be obvious and what most people already do intuitively. Aubrey probably followed that path because he wanted to so...
- Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:16 am
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: 1% chance of survival
- Replies: 4
- Views: 12099
Re: 1% chance of survival
When I go to cryonics calculator, all the risks are clearly for phase II. So their characterization as "success" vs "failure" is accurate in the context of phase II. But it doesn't address phase I at all. Yet when you say that you are looking out for ways to improve that number, ...
- Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:15 am
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: 1% chance of survival
- Replies: 4
- Views: 12099
1% chance of survival
I see 1% getting thrown around a lot in various contexts. The usual claim is that a 1% chance of revival if cryopreserved is better than the 0% chance if cremated. This is sometimes bolstered by a claim that the payoff is billions of years of additional life, so the 1% translates to millions of year...
- Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:19 am
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Helping the cryonics cause
- Replies: 16
- Views: 41369
Re: Helping the cryonics cause
That's the complete opposite of what I'm suggesting. How does quitting your daytime job help ensure your survival? It would just make you poor and unfunded. I'm trying to discourage people from any outreach, fundraising, volunteering, etc. My entire point is that it's all completely useless because ...
- Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:55 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Helping the cryonics cause
- Replies: 16
- Views: 41369
Helping the cryonics cause
I talk to many people who want to help advance cryonics. They want to somehow contribute to our cause. Well, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but there's really nothing you can do. It's too big of a problem, and you have too few resources. You can't volunteer or donate or do anything else tha...
- Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:11 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: how many OC members?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 21984
Re: how many OC members?
I'm assuming you've already downgraded to neuro, if possible. I'm also assuming you're talking about a few years from now, when we are fully up and running. Nearby small towns don't seem like a good idea to me because that distance would add significant time to any response. But a 30 minute wait for...
- Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:50 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: how many OC members?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 21984
Re: how many OC members?
I don't know. Maybe seven. We discourage it unless you live in Salem. It's totally pointless to sign up for a service that is so far away that nobody can possibly get to you in time. This is also why I let my Alcor and CI memberships lapse years ago. You really need to live in the same city as your ...
- Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:07 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: ASC vs. O.C. $1K aldehyde bath + molecular brain scan
- Replies: 17
- Views: 61276
Re: ASC vs. O.C. $1K aldehyde bath + molecular brain scan
No, high quality chemical fixation alone is not good enough. Damage over time is very significant due to molecular motion. There is no sharp deadline on how fast fixation must be followed by cryopreservation, but it's in the range of hours, not years.
- Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:47 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Danielle Baker
- Replies: 5
- Views: 11620
Re: Danielle Baker
Well, believing in something doesn't make it true. We know that preserving all molecular structure, including all synapses, axons, DNA, etc. would preserve memory. But it's just not plausible that the DNA alone is enough. I've thought about this exact issue for years. Tell you what, go try to convin...
- Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:28 am
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Danielle Baker
- Replies: 5
- Views: 11620
Re: Danielle Baker
In spite of my strong feelings of injustice in this case, I think it's also worth noting that Doug Bowling did not actually harm Danielle. Her chances of revival were already zero. I believe her body went undiscovered for about three days. There was nothing left of her mind by that point. It was irr...
- Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:26 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Danielle Baker
- Replies: 5
- Views: 11620
Danielle Baker
Zoltan Istvan just contributed an article to Quartz: https://qz.com/1555363/cryogenics-is-facing-legal-trouble-with-body-preservation/ I'm quoted in it. While the quotes are technically accurate, I'm not sure the context is accurate. I think the best thing to do here is to just list out what I think...
- Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:17 am
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Alcor CT Scanner
- Replies: 5
- Views: 20779
Re: Alcor CT Scanner
Hmm. They don't seem to have it on their website yet. It was in an Alcor newsletter sent out to members by email, which someone then kindly forwarded to me. I'll post it here for now, and then replace the text with a link, once they have it up: by Max More The first major acquisition paid for by the...
- Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:41 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Why not invite Ben Best?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 22776
Re: Why not invite Ben Best?
Not really. I remember he posted at least one photo series on his FB page and described his visit in detail.
- Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:34 am
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Why not invite Mike Darwin?
- Replies: 4
- Views: 12283
Re: Why not invite Mike Darwin?
Maybe I was unclear. Mike has visited OC repeatedly over the years. I've learned a number of things through face-to-face communication that were important. Of course, our opinions differ about many things, but that's not a deal breaker. After a number of years, we sort of ran out of things to say to...
- Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:54 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: trying to find article
- Replies: 2
- Views: 8685
- Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:45 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Why not invite Ben Best?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 22776
Re: Why not invite Ben Best?
What are you talking about? Ben has been here many times over the years.
- Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:57 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: Alcor CT Scanner
- Replies: 5
- Views: 20779
Alcor CT Scanner
Alcor just announced that they purchased a CT scanner. It's about time. They chose a Vimago, which I think was an outstanding choice. Because it's sold to veterinarians instead of physicians, the cost is able to be lower. Surprisingly, the resolution is 10x that of other similar medical CT scanners,...
- Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:14 pm
- Forum: Forum
- Topic: ASC vs. O.C. $1K aldehyde bath + molecular brain scan
- Replies: 17
- Views: 61276
Re: ASC vs. O.C. $1K aldehyde bath + molecular brain scan
DetnPx, you are assuming that reversible suspended animation is a real possibility. I'm pretty sure it's not. I think the only way to reverse it is going to be to take the whole brain apart molecule by molecule until it's completely disassembled -- in other words, a destructive scan. I hardly think ...